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Encore une bonne caricature, en enfin la bonne heure, yoohoo !
Tant qu'à moi, le prix "élevé" du gaz ne réflète vraiment pas sa valeur. Si y se vendait à un prix de libre-marché, donc selon l'offre et la demande, on payerait bin 5$ du litre avec un bon 10$ de taxes diverses par-dessus !
Peut-être qu'à ce prix-là, la recherche d'un carburant alternatif, de méthodes de réductions de la consommation, d'autres moyens de transport serait accélérée.
Vous parlez peut-être vite contre les Américains, mais remerciez-les de tenir tête à l'OPEP et de nous offrir un pétrole si bon marché.

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Hé bien! C''est clair que je n'ai pas été bien original pour celle-là. Je dois l'avoir vu il y a quelque temps et elle m'est revenue dans la tête hier midi en remplissant mon auto! Pour les puristes, je suis désolé!

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Le commentaire de stéphane qui "remercie les Américains pour le pétrole bon marché" démontre une certaine ignorance de la "chose" économique !

Le prix du brut est fixé par les spéculateurs de Wall Street, en plus de facteurs comme la production mondiale, la consommation des marchés, et la "sécutité" de l'approvisionnement.

Un des objectifs de la guerre en Irak, bien documenté dans les journaux économiques comme "The Economist" et le "Wall Street Journal" était d'assurer un approvisionnent et un contrôle sur la production mondiale. Les prix devaient chuter, suite au controle américain sur le pétrole irakien (25% des réserves mondiales). Le contraire est arrivé : les spéculateurs US ont fait des fortunes sur les hausse de prix, bien souvent artificielles ...

Est-ce que quelqu'un pense vraiment que le prix du pétrole n'est pas manipulé par ceux qui ont des intérêt financiers, les riches holding américains du pétrole ?

L'OPEP est une marionnette ...par exemple, les USA ont fait pression sur le Vénézuella pour diminuer la production là-bas, de façon à maintenir la production à un niveau qui augmente les coûts, et donner ainsi une caution supplémentaire à l'intervention militaire en Irak ...

Bientôt les marchés de la Chine et de l'inde, dont les économies explosent, seront les principaux consommateurs de pétrole : la pression de ces économies fera augmenter la production mondiale, malgré le souhait des USA, et fera diminuer les prix du brut ...

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Marc, tu ne fais qu'approfondir mes propos. Sans la super-puissance que sont les États-Unis, le prix du pétrole serait davantage contrôlé par l'OPEP. Or, ceux-ci ne peuvent se permettre de tenir tête aux Américains tout simplement car il s'agit ici pour la plupart de monarchies/dictatures (appelez ça comme vous voulez). Les familles et clans dirigeants de ces pays ne veulent pas perdre cette source de richesse et se permette donc de vendre à rabais un pétrole qui vaut bien plus.
Pendant qu'on a du pétrole à rabais et les monarchies quantité de pétro-dollars, c'est la population des pays producteurs qui en subit les effets.

marc

Tu ne dois cetrainement pas étudier en finances ou en économie, stéphane, pour tenir de tels propos !!

Recommencons : l'OPEP roule à presque 85% de production ... reste la production de l'Irak, mise à terre par nos amis américains, à revenir en ligne ...la production vénézualienne est soumise à des pressions politiques des américains, qui ne veulent pas d'un Vénézuela trop riche, car pour l'instant, ils ont des politiques sociales trop gau-gauche, au Vénézuela ...
La production étant une valeur X, les spéculateurs de Wall Street, nos amis américains, fixent le coût en "futures" de cette production . Ils y rajoutent une "prime" d'insécurité de l'approvisionnement, variant entre 8-10$ le baril : l'insécurité est actuellement causée par l'intervention américaine en Irak, qui n'a fait qu'augmenter ce facteur, au lieu de le diminuer.
Étant en économie de marché, le prix est ensuite fonction de l'offre et de la demande (à date, pas trop compliqué, tu me suis ?). La pression sur la demande, qui fait augmenter les prix, vient de nos amis américains, qui consomment de + en + de produits pétroliers, ce qui, selon le principe même du capitalisme, fait augmenter les prix. Toujours là, stephane ?
Tout le reste étant constant, les inventaires des pays consommateurs (USA, Europe, Asie,) étant stables, la seule façon de faire diminuer le prix du pétrole sera une baisse de consommation américaine ... ceci est un "no-brainer" reconnu par tous, pas seulement les gauchistes, mais les bons capitalistes aussi !!

Alors, svp stéphane, change ton discours sur "une chance que les Américains sont là pour nous" !!!

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